A Psychonaut's Monolog

Office Kitaoka Inc.
Vol 008: 2018.9.17

"A Psychonaut's Monolog" Online Newsletter

Guhen Kitaoka, as a psychonaut versed both in Western psychology
and in Eastern philosophy, expounds "An Integral Epistemology
for Enlightenment," as a new methodology for perpetuating
the ultimate state of human consciousness.

"EPM FAQ #3"

Latest Info 1: Guhen's first "EPM (Expansive Psychology Method)" workshop in English was held on the 31st August. It went rather well in his opinion, despite a rather small number of attendants.

The second EPM evening workshop is scheduled to be held on the 28th September.

The details of the second workshop are shown at:

Latest Info 2: The full list of the EPM FAQ questions can be browsed at:

Following the last issue of the current online newsletter, I would like to continue, in this issue, to answer a wide range of FAQ questions related to my first workshop in particular, and to my EPM work in general.

<< EPM FAQ #3 >>

A09: Was the first EPM evening workshop filmed?

A09: Yes, it was filmed, and two video clips extracted from the whole video have been uploaded to:

In the first clip above, a participant of the workshop indicated that he had come to be interested in my workshop, because he had been seeking someone who might be continuing the legacy of such altered states of consciousness related works as advanced by Robert Anton Wilson, Timothy Leary and Alan Watts, all of whom are now dead.

Also, another participant asked me whether I believed in such a model and/or a representation of the reality as "Neuro-logical Levels." I answered with a categorical negative.

In the second clip above, when I was in the middle of delivering a demo exercise with the "Neuro-logical Level Alignment" model, I began to explain what the "Meta Position," which corresponds with the "Witness" of the Vedanta philosophy, is.

When I indicated that one can endlessly regress along the line of a series of meta positions to forever continue to further and further "disidentify" with oneself, a participant pertinently pointed out that that must be the meaning of "Turtles All the Way Down."

BTW, those who will browse these video clips will hopefully come to recognize that, despite my Japanese accent, I have a "fairly good" command of English syntax-wise and grammar-wise.

Q10: What is your relationship with John Grinder?

A10: I first met John in London in the spring of 1988 - I was then working as an employee for a UK subsidiary of Japan Airlines - when I participated in his 3 day workshop entitled "Turtles All the Way Down: Prerequisites to Personal Genius," co-delivered by Judith DeLozier, who was his wife at that time.

His thorough and meticulously precise epistemological expositions - he used to be a Jesuit - flabbergasted me so much that I decided to take a three week long vacation during the summer of 1988 to go to Santa Cruz to take part in John's Practitioner certification course held at the campus of USCA (University of California Santa Cruz), and lasting for some 20 days.

I think that my training with John during the summer of 1988 was a pivotal experience which made me decide to embark on the long-standing epistemological endeavor (which by the way has been continuing for 30 years to date) to integrate the most advanced Western psychology (i.e., NLP) and the oldest philosophy in the East (i.e., Vedanta).

I also took part in John's Master Practitioner certification course held at the Kresge College (where Gregory Bateson used to teach) of UCSC during the summer of 1989.

(These Practitioner and Master Practitioner certification courses had been John's very last ones until he delivered another Practitioner course in Spain a few years ago.)

I then proposed John that he should come to Japan to teach NLP.

I subsequently met John a couple of times in London during the nineties, when he visited the capital to deliver a lecture, as well as a workshop held with his new partner, Carmen Bostic.

The next time I met John was, after all, in 2005, when the Japan NLP Academy, of which I was the headmaster, invited him to Japan to start to deliver a series of his training courses.

After I left the Academy in 2007, I have been seeing him nearly every time he visited Japan. We have been close friends who have been sporadically discussing very deep epistemological, ontological, mystical, and spiritual subjects.

As I wrote in the third issue of this newsletter, "Grinder is a staunch 'agnostic' who remains completely silent and says nothing about whether there exists something in the 'external world,' or whether it does exist in the first place."

Well, from this point of view, I once told John "You may be a mystical epistemologist, while I am an epistemological mystic (meaning that my position is that something beyond the phenomenal world exists in an ontological sense, unlike his agnostic position)." He agreed with me.

Incidentally, he once told me an interesting anecdote: In the early nineties, a group of three Japanese gentlemen visited him and Carmen in California, and asked them whether they would be ready to do NLP related business in Japan together with them.

According to John, he politely refused this offer from them, by telling them "I would possibly not be able to do business with you in Japan, guys, because there exists only one single Japanese person who could understand the craziness of my mind (!)."

I understand that these three gentleman abandoned the very idea to do any NLP business in Japan once for all, and subsequently started to do "Coaching" business, and that their company later became the biggest coaching firm in Japan.

This means that I had contributed to these gentlemen's future great business success, at least indirectly, if not directly.

Q11: I understand that you heard from John Grinder that he had modeled how he and Richard Bandler had created NLP.

A11: Yes, I once said to Grinder that I thought that if how he and Bandler created NLP can be modeled, those who come after them may have a chance to create something like or beyond NLP, and asked him whether such a modeling had been completed.

His answer was - to me, surprisingly - positive and gave me the following formula which modeled the process of how the two co-founders created NLP (please note that the following is not the original wording, but my translation from Japanese back to English):

1. Identification of the target person to model.

2. "Unconscious assimilation" (that is, "DTI modeling") of the patterns of the model.

3. Systematic development of the patterns until the performance criteria are met.

4. Codification of the patterns of the model which now exist in the modeler.

5. Test of the modeling as to whether the codified patterns can be effectively passed on to others.

That is, when Grinder and Bandler created NLP, they first chose Milton H. Erickson, as someone they were going to model.

Next, they simply tried to unconsciously assimilate the communicational patterns existing in Erickson - they stayed at Erickson's house as his guests for months, during which they observed him doing his therapy with his clients. They then thoroughly modeled him, as if a baby modeled his or her mother speaking her mother tongue, without any conscious intervention. This kind of no-mind modeling is called "DTI (Deep Trance Identification) Modeling" usually used by spiritual mediums, or "Know-nothing Modeling."

And then, they systematically implemented the patterns they had found in Erickson, until they were able to satisfactorily duplicate his performance in themselves as well as himself.

Then, they began to make their implicit and non-verbal learning as an explicit set of learnable tools, by eliminating the redundant elements of the patterns and leaving only the essential ones.

Lastly, they tested their codification with other people to know whether they can achieve the performance level of Erickson by applying the codified patterns to themselves.

Incidentally, when Grinder mentioned this modeling formula at his first workshop held in Tokyo in 2005, he said that he had needed to spend several months to create "filters," before going to model Erickson with Bandler, so that he may not pick up what he didn't want to assimilate from Erickson.

I was surprised by his comment, because when I "surrendered myself" to my master, it was a kind of "unconditional modeling," and asked him after the workshop whether Bandler also had prepared filters for his modeling. Grinder said that Bandler also had done so.

There are a couple of very interesting remarks here:

One, though Grinder needed several months to protect himself by preparing filters in the past, now one can create similar filters in less than 10 minutes by using involuntary unconscious signals coming from one's unconscious mind.

Two, Steve Gilligan, who was a student of Grinder and Bandler, once did a "full version" modeling of Erickson, without any filters, and behaved and talked as if he had been exactly Erickson himself. Gregory Bateson was then beside Gilligan and asked him some intimate question of which only the real Erikson knew the answer. When Gilligan gave him the exact answer, he got creepy, and left the scene.

The sequel of this story is that Gillian who did the full modeling of Erickson without filters got diabetes from him.

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